Senator Bernie Sanders began speaking about earnings inequality practically 40 years in the past in our nation right now, we have now an excessive disparity between the wealthy and the poor. He railed in opposition to oligarchs earlier than Elon Musk had made his first million. The USA of America right now is more and more changing into an oligarchy. Sanders began out as a political oddity, however his concentrate on financial inequality has turned him into one of the influential politicians in America. I needed to know the place he thinks we’re headed subsequent, so I requested him to hitch me for “America’s Subsequent Story,” our sequence of conversations in regards to the concepts that after held America collectively and people who may accomplish that once more. Senator Bernie Sanders, Thanks for being right here. My pleasure. I’ve to start out by going again to your days as mayor of Burlington and thanking you for bringing minor league baseball to town, as a result of I had household there and I’d go to each summer season and we might choose per week when the Vermont Reds have been residence and we might go each evening. That was numerous enjoyable. We labored arduous on it. They usually turned out to be a terrific crew, and numerous the blokes who performed there ended up within the majors. So it was excellent for the group. We had numerous enjoyable. My household have been supporters of yours, and so they obtained an enormous kick out of the truth that though they have been known as the Reds due to the Cincinnati Reds, the one socialist mayor in America had a baseball crew known as the Reds. Sure, we thought that was sort of enjoyable. Sure O.Okay, let’s get into it. I wish to return to the pre-Trump period. And take into consideration the truth that numerous Democrats in that period. I’m excited about the Clintons. Obama felt extra positively towards the market financial system than you probably did. They have been optimistic towards commerce. They didn’t fear that a lot about company energy. They didn’t pay that a lot consideration to labor unions. And if I’m being completely sincere, lots of people outdoors of the Democratic Celebration New York Occasions columnists, had many. Yeah, I recall that very same attitudes. A few of them didn’t truly weren’t supportive of my candidacy for president. That’s honest. That’s honest. I assume you’ll agree that the consensus has shifted in your course during the last decade or so. Honest to say. And I’m curious, why do you suppose these different Democrats and progressives missed what you noticed. Within the 70s, the early 70s, a number of the leaders within the Democratic Celebration had this sensible concept. They stated, hey, Republicans are getting all of this cash from the rich and the companies. Why don’t we hitch a experience as properly. They usually began doing that all through the historical past of this nation. Actually the trendy historical past of this nation, from F.D.R. to Truman to Kennedy, even the Democratic Celebration was the get together of the working class, interval. That’s all of your working class. Most individuals have been Democrats, however from the 70s on, for a wide range of causes, I feel the attraction of massive cash, the get together started to pay extra consideration to the wants of the company world and the rich, quite than working class folks. And I feel in my opinion, that has been a complete catastrophe, not solely politically, however for our nation as a complete. I agree, definitely, that company cash performed a task inside the get together, however I additionally suppose lots of people genuinely believed issues like commerce would assist staff. Once I take into consideration – You suppose it’s all about cash. No what I feel is in the event you speak to working class folks throughout that interval, as I did, in the event you speak to the union motion throughout that interval as I did stated, guys, do you suppose it’s a terrific concept that we have now a free commerce settlement with China. No employee in America thought that was a good suggestion. The company world thought it was a good suggestion. Washington Publish thought it was a terrific concept. I don’t know what the New York Occasions’ thought, however each one among us who talked to unions, talked to staff, understood that the results of that may be the collapse of producing in America, the lack of hundreds of thousands of excellent paying jobs as a result of firms understood. If I might pay folks $0.30 an hour in China, why the hell am I going to pay a employee in America a dwelling wage? We understood that. I feel that’s honest. I assume I’m enthusiastic about why you suppose that members of the Democratic Celebration, not staff. Why do you suppose members of the Democratic Celebration and different progressives ignored staff again then, however have come extra carefully to take heed to staff. I imply, in the event you have a look at the Biden administration’s coverage, in the event you have a look at the way in which Senator Schumer talks about his personal views shifting, I do suppose there’s been this significant shift within the Democratic Celebration towards your views, not all the way in which. Effectively, what we should see is to what diploma individuals are simply seeing the place the wind is blowing as as to if or not they imply it. For my part, working class Individuals didn’t vote for Donald Trump as a result of they needed to see the highest 1 % get a bucket trillion in tax breaks. They didn’t wish to see 15 million folks, together with lots of them, being thrown off the well being care that they had, or well being care premiums double, et cetera, et cetera they voted for Trump as a result of he stated, I’m going to do one thing. The system is damaged. I’m going to do one thing. And what did the Democrats say? Effectively, in 13 years in the event you’re making $40-48,000, we might be able to assist your child get to varsity. However in the event you’re making a penny extra, we will’t fairly try this. The system is O.Okay. We’re going to nibble across the edges. Trump smashed the system. In fact, the whole lot he’s doing is disastrous. Democrats the system is O.Okay. Let’s nibble across the edges. Democrats misplaced the election, all proper. They abdicated. They got here up with no different. As a result of what? They even right now don’t acknowledge the financial crises going through the working class of this nation. Now you inform me. All proper. What number of Democrats are going round saying what? Now we have a well being care system which is damaged utterly. We’re the one main nation on Earth to not assure well being care to all folks. I’ve launched Medicare for all. What number of Democrats within the Senate I’ve on board. What number of 15 out of a caucus of 47. And also you suppose Medicare for all is each good coverage and good politics. In fact, it’s good coverage. Well being care is a human proper. And I really feel very strongly about that. And I feel the perform of our well being care system shouldn’t make the drug firms and the insurance coverage firms phenomenally wealthy, however assure well being care to all folks. So most Individuals suppose, the place’s the lead. I feel that at a time when we have now extra earnings and wealth inequality what the American folks suppose. Perhaps we actually levy some heavy obligation taxes on the billionaire class. I imagine that I feel most Individuals, together with plenty of Republicans, imagine that. Not fairly so positive the Democrats are. I imagine that you simply don’t maintain funding a warfare legal like Netanyahu to starve the youngsters of Gaza. That’s what I imagine. It’s what most Individuals imagine. Overwhelming majority within the Democratic world imagine in Democratic management. Perhaps not fairly a lot. So the purpose is that proper now, with 60 % of our folks dwelling paycheck to paycheck. I don’t know that the Democratic management understands that there are good, respectable folks on the market working as arduous as they’ll, having a tough time paying their hire as a result of the price of housing is off the charts, well being care is off the charts. Childcare is off the charts. Marketing campaign finance system is totally damaged. When you have to can spend $270 million to elect Trump. You bought a damaged system. Our job is to create an financial system and a political system that works for working folks, not simply billionaires. So the important thing to you is the Democratic Celebration wants to inform a narrative and implement insurance policies. I don’t speak in regards to the Democratic Celebration. David, who’re you speaking about? I’m speaking in regards to the management of the get together. And who’re the management? The management of the get together proper now. I imply, that is the wrestle that after I ran in 2016, proper. What I stated is open the bloody doorways. That means let working class folks in with all their flaws. They could have stated one thing. 28 years in the past. They remorse saying. Open the door. Open the door to younger folks. Open the door to folks of colour as candidates. You imply as candidates. As contributors. Are you aware that I used to be in West Virginia. I don’t know if this. I went to West Virginia, I don’t two months in the past, I went to a County in West Virginia, which voted for Trump. O.Okay we had tons of of individuals popping out. Unbelievable what I heard respectable, arduous working, good folks. Did there isn’t any Democratic Celebration principally in West Virginia. The get together’s given up. Yeah, it’s solely West Virginia. It’s state after state after state. Democratic get together has abdicated. Given up. They’re not preventing for the working class and it’s not what the Democratic Celebration has been is billionaire-funded, consultant-driven get together. Approach out of contact with the place the working class of this nation is. Let’s speak about what a real working class politics may seem like. So I feel clearly part of that could be a a lot bolder financial coverage. You’ve made that a lot of your life work. I do suppose there’s one other a part of it. And after I have a look at your profession, I see that. So your previous colleague, Pat Leahy as soon as stated that you simply appealed to an anti-establishment pressure in Vermont that isn’t essentially liberal. And after I take into consideration what a real working class politics may look I take into consideration the truth that in your historical past, you spoke positively about looking and you bought assist from gun house owners, and you actually did higher in rural Vermont than numerous different Democrats. And so, to me, I imply, simply to consider Vermont for a minute, you despatched the sign that you weren’t from one of many fancy Vermont cities like Charlotte, however that you simply truly understood the pursuits of individuals in much less prosperous, rural or Vermont. I’m a type of folks. I grew up in a three-and-a-half-room, rent-controlled get together. It’s not “these” folks. These are my folks. And a part of that, I feel, is being keen to defy the Democratic Celebration orthodoxy, not solely on financial points, but additionally on some social points. And you probably did that. You probably did that on weapons, for instance. And I’m curious whether or not you suppose {that a} true working class politics wants to include the views of working class folks, not solely on economics, but additionally on points the place many working class folks simply have totally different views than the college lounge at a flowery college. I imply, I feel there are specific fundamental I feel I’ve spent my entire life believing, not a radical concept, that girls have a proper to regulate their very own physique. We obtained to finish sexism. We obtained to finish racism. We obtained to finish homophobia. Very, essential. You I’ll let you know a shaggy dog story. Approach again after I can’t bear in mind the yr in Vermont, there was an modification. There was the constitutional modification for girls’s rights. Do you do not forget that? And it seems that plenty of folks voted in opposition to that who voted for me. In different phrases, you’ve obtained to have a tolerance. I imagine, once more, ladies have a proper to regulate their very own physique. There are individuals who disagree with me. What am I imagined to do? Throw them out? Discard them utterly as a result of they disagree with you? On this nation right now, in a single sense, there’s numerous disunity clearly. And lots of people divided. However on the fundamental points is well being care a human proper. We’re just about most individuals suppose. Sure, ought to the wealthy begin paying their justifiable share of taxes. Yeah ought to we construct low earnings and inexpensive housing. Yeah is the marketing campaign finance system presently corrupt. Yeah within the richest nation on Earth. Ought to aged folks be capable to retire with safety and dignity. Yeah, so it obtained to be tolerant. I imply, so what don’t agree with me on each challenge. What am I going to do. All proper. We’re going to work collectively and provide you with one of the best plan that we will. We wish to play a clip of an interview you probably did with Ezra Klein, who’s now my colleague. However on the time he was at Vox, and it’s about immigration. “However I feel in the event you take world poverty that severely, it leads you to conclusions that within the U.S. are thought-about out of political bounds. Issues like sharply elevating the extent of immigration we allow, even as much as a stage of open borders about sharply rising. Open borders. Open borders. That’s a Koch brothers proposal. The concept, in fact. I imply, that’s a proper wing proposal which says primarily there isn’t any United States.” Are you able to say extra about your views on immigration. Look, when there are individuals who need low-cost labor coming into this nation to decrease wages, no query about it, the place we’re proper now’s we take into consideration 10 million undocumented folks on this nation. The overwhelming majority of these folks got here to this nation for a similar actual motive, as my father got here from Poland, with out a nickel in his pocket to create a greater life for themselves. And plenty of of them truly introduced their little youngsters right here. They fled violence. They fled poverty. The overwhelming, overwhelming majority of those individuals are working arduous throughout Covid. These have been the folks within the meatpacking vegetation. These have been the individuals who have been coming down with Covid and dying. They have been holding the financial system going. The failure of each the Democratic and the Republican Celebration within the final variety of many years is we have now not developed a complete immigration reform. And in my opinion, a path towards citizenship for these folks. And I feel what Trump is doing proper now’s disgusting. It’s what demagogues at all times do. You’re taking a powerless minority. Perhaps it’s the Jews in Europe throughout the seconds. Perhaps it’s Gypsies, perhaps it’s homosexual folks, perhaps it’s Black folks. You identify the minority and also you blame all the issues of the world on these folks. That’s what Trump is doing with the undocumented. My view may be very, very totally different. I feel we’ve obtained to maneuver towards complete immigration reform. And a path towards citizenship for people who find themselves by and enormous, working very arduous and an important a part of our financial system. So Trump is clearly doing outrageous issues that deny folks their civil rights and that violate their fundamental humanity. Now, there’s no query about that. I additionally suppose it’s honest to say that the Biden administration’s immigration coverage did primarily reject the views of numerous working class Individuals. They usually checked out it and so they stated, that’s simply too open an immigration coverage. And I feel their discomfort with it was constant together with your longtime view of immigration. Effectively, what I do suppose by way of the Biden administration, as long as we have now nation states like the US of America and Canada and Mexico, you may have borders. And in the event you don’t have any borders, then in a way, you don’t have a nation state. And Biden tried to make some progress on the finish of his tenure. You noticed the images in Texas of simply every kind of undocumented folks in that doesn’t resonate. And it’s not proper. We have to have an immigration coverage, however you additionally have to have sturdy borders, interval. The rationale I’m pushing you on that is I do suppose there’s better demand for a real working class politics on this nation than many Democratic elites have usually acknowledged. It’s a sort of working class politics that basically might contain shifting financial coverage within the course that you really want. However I feel for folks to win. And once you have a look at folks like Ruben Gallego in Arizona, who’s gained, or Marcy Kaptur in Ohio, otherwise you in Vermont, once you first obtained elected there, it wasn’t a solidly blue state. It’s not sufficient to be populist on economics. Democrats even have to point out some fundamental respect for working class views and be genuine, quite than simply saying that they’re tolerating views on issues like immigration or on weapons. They genuinely need to have views which are totally different than actually prosperous Democrats are inclined to have on social points. Do you suppose that’s honest. Yeah O.Okay. I feel it’s actually uncomfortable for the Democratic Celebration, as a result of I feel see, once you maintain David speaking in regards to the Democratic Celebration, after I ran for president, one of many issues that I discovered is there ain’t a lot of a Democratic Celebration. There are folks on the highest. Once I take into consideration a celebration, I take into consideration the involvement of enormous numbers of individuals on the grassroots stage. You perceive what I’m saying. That’s my after I take into consideration a celebration, folks disagree. They yell and shout at one another. As folks have stated, democracy is sort of messy. However I feel generally when folks take into consideration the Democratic Celebration. Take into consideration these cocktail events in New York Metropolis or L.A., the place rich folks mingle with consultants, mingle with the management. That’s not a lot of a celebration. That’s actually sort of an elitist establishment. So one of many issues that I’ve that I imagine if the Democratic Celebration is to outlive, perhaps it’s going to, perhaps it gained’t. The transformation needs to be to open the doorways, to usher in hundreds of thousands of individuals, to listen to what they need to say. To have them begin operating for workplace, et cetera. Let’s speak about Trump. You’re turning out tens of hundreds of individuals throughout the nation to your preventing oligarchy tour. Effectively over 300,000 however who’s counting. I used to be considering of particular person occasions, however that’s honest. Complete viewers. “Preventing Oligarchy” can be the identify of your ebook. I’m curious why you selected preventing oligarchy versus one thing that was extra Trump particular say, preventing authoritarianism. Why do you suppose oligarchy is the basis reason for how we obtained to Trumpism? That’s a great query. Clearly I’m labored day and evening making an attempt to. Defeat this man’s effort to maneuver towards shifting us to an authoritarian society. I feel the 2 go hand in glove, by the way in which. However I feel what I needed to do, what we did within the rallies and what I needed to do within the ebook, is ask the American folks to start out some very uncomfortable realities. It’s very simple after I might say, oh, in Russia now, Putin and his mates, that’s an oligarchy. And I’ve obtained a handful of billionaires operating that nation. Oh, in Saudi Arabia you bought $1 trillion household, I feel all around the world you bought these actually rich and highly effective oligarch varieties, however not in the US. Not true. In America right now, we have now extra earnings and wealth inequality. We’ve ever had within the historical past of this nation during the last 50 years, you may have seen a large switch of wealth from the underside 90 % to the highest 1 % You may have a political system, which is dominated by the billionaire class. That’s what Residents United was all about. That’s what Tremendous PACs are about. So that you’ve obtained Mr Musk in a position to contribute $270 million proper to elect Donald Trump and Democratic billionaires taking part in a task. Clearly I’m strongly supporting Mamdani. And it was simply superb to me how upfront the oligarchs have been in New York Metropolis. One man says, properly, we’re going to spend no matter it takes. We’re landlords. We’re the oligarchy. How dare this man are available and upset the apple cart. Fairly open. That’s what actually struck me. So you bought an financial system dominated by the very rich, a rigged financial system. You may have a political system dominated by billionaires. You may have the media, company media having big influence. You add all of it up. What do you name that nation. You inform me. Is it honest to name it an oligarchy? I feel I completely suppose there are oligarchic facets to our nation. You’re sounding like a New York Occasions’ reporter. I’m not keen to say that we’re already an oligarchy, however I’m apprehensive that we’re very a lot shifting towards that. And so I feel there’s an enormous quantity of your analysis that I agree with to some extent. I’m not pushing you on the oligarchy notion. I’m accepting it. I’m asking on this second, ought to we be paying extra consideration to the authoritarian risk. They go collectively. All proper, I agree. All proper. The purpose is, what may be very not often mentioned, and I’ve been on 48 million tv exhibits and no one has ever requested me. Not one particular person has ever stated, Bernie, are you apprehensive that so few folks in America have a lot wealth and a lot energy whereas working class folks have are struggling? Nobody ever requested me that query. I wager you make the purpose anyway, although I do. I say thanks to your foolish query. Now let me provide the reply to the query that you simply didn’t reply. All proper. However what do. What do the oligarchs need? If you hear folks like Peter Thiel speaking about – I don’t know in the event you comply with this. When Peter Thiel, who’s a billionaire actively concerned in A.I. and robotics he refers to his opponents not as folks he disagrees with however because the Antichrist. Did you see that? No I didn’t. Actually, the phrase was Antichrist, a non secular critique, as a result of these guys have the divine proper to rule. And when Trump will get elected in his inauguration and he has all of those multi-billionaires behind him, A) these guys are doing phenomenally properly. They love Donald Trump, little doubt, however B), what do they need? Do they wish to pay taxes? No. Do they like unions? No they wish to break unions. Do they need any type of regulation in A.I. and robotics? No method. You’re an Antichrist. You’re immoral. You’re a satan. Actually, in the event you attempt to intrude with us. They like oligarchy. They like authoritarianism. They like authoritarianism as a result of folks like Putin provides the oligarchs in Russia proper alternative to do something they need. That’s what Trump is doing proper right here on this nation. I’d say Russia’s made it to full oligarchy, by the way in which. Sure however let me let you know, there’s some folks on the suitable now who’re starting to discuss with the US Congress because the Duma. Folks blabbing all day lengthy, powerless. Trump has all the facility. You talked about Zohran Mamdani. Yeah, New York is clearly totally different from the remainder of the US in a complete bunch of the way. What classes would you like Democrats who’re from swing states or purple states to take from Zohran Mamdani? You retain sounding like a New York Occasions reporter. Effectively, I’m. Oh, I didn’t know that. O.Okay all proper. Recover from one thing. O.Okay O.Okay. Yeah New York. New York Metropolis. I grew up in Brooklyn may be very totally different than West Virginia. Sure totally different than Maine. Completely different than different states. However on the finish of the day, and I say this to not be sweepingly rhetorical. The overwhelming majority of Individuals are working class folks. And when Mamdani is speaking about in New York is folks can not afford the outrageous price of housing what. It’s true in Vermont. It’s true in West Virginia. It’s true in just about each state on this nation. He’s speaking about affordability. Speaking about childcare. What childcare disaster in virtually each state on this nation don’t use the phrase purple state or blue state. Once I hear purple states, to me it’s an abdication of what? Of Democratic Celebration. In preventing for the working class, folks don’t have any different and so they vote for the Trump’s of the world. If we’re daring and we obtained to be actually daring in demanding that within the wealthiest nation within the historical past, you inform me. You inform me why. Within the richest nation, all of our folks can not have a good lifestyle. There isn’t a excuse for that, apart from the greed of the billionaire class, who’ve a lot energy. And the acquiescence of the political class in permitting that to occur. I imply, this ties collectively our dialog properly, as a result of I agree that mamdani’s message on affordability can resonate in the complete nation. However once you have a look at the Democrats who’ve gained in locations, it’s tougher for Democrats to win in New York. They sound very totally different from him on one thing like policing. Very totally different. They seem of their adverts with cops. They speak in regards to the border. There’s principally no counterexample of a Democrat who’s gained a troublesome race with out. Effectively, I feel the world is altering, by the way in which. And I feel you’re going to see extra of that. And I feel you’re seeing candidates proper now operating. And by the way in which, by way of the police, one of many causes I used to be elected mayor of Burlington, Vermont, a number of years in the past in 1981. Who endorsed me? The Burlington Patrolmen’s Affiliation. That was the police union. And who endorsed me two years later, as a result of I did good issues in reforming the police division? Burlington policemen’s union, and two years later? Burlington police union. And two years after that. I perceive that being a cop is, in reality, a really tough job. Monumental duty when you may have a gun in your hip. Scheduling is loopy. Divorce charge amongst cops may be very, very excessive. They reside beneath numerous stress. All proper. Deal with them with respect that they do. Doing a really, very tough job. Can we tolerate racism inside police departments. In no way. Is there brutality? Completely. Do we’d like reforms? Sure however police play an important position, and they need to be revered. Look, I feel, the sort of message that may resonate with an enormous variety of Individuals. I don’t suppose it’s the message numerous Democrats have at all times given, however I feel that’s a part of what pursuits me a lot about your politics. By the way in which, I’m an impartial. I’m a Democrat. I do know. Let’s speak about one other debate that’s gotten folks excited. And I’m actually interested by your view, the abundance debate, which is this concept that one of many issues that authorities must do and progressives have to do is obvious out forms. In order that our society could make extra stuff houses, clear vitality. What do you consider the abundance motion? Effectively, it’s obtained numerous rigidity among the many elite, if I’ll say so. Look, if the argument is that we have now a horrendous forms. Completely appropriate. It’s horrible. I introduced in over time, some huge cash into the state of Vermont. It’s unbelievable. Even in a state like Vermont, which is perhaps higher than most states, how odd it’s to even get the bloody cash out as a result of you may have so many. Oh my God. We had 38 conferences. We obtained to speak about this. Unbelievable I labored for years to carry two well being clinics into the state of Vermont that we would have liked. I needed two extra to renovate one and construct one other one on this. You can’t imagine. You can’t imagine the extent of forms to construct a bloody well being heart. It’s nonetheless not constructed. All proper. So I don’t must be lectured on the character of forms. It’s horrendous. And that’s actual. However that isn’t an ideology. That’s frequent sense. Any supervisor. Your company supervisor, your mayor, your governor obtained to get issues finished. And within the forms, federal forms, many state bureaucracies make that very, very tough. However that isn’t an ideology. It’s good authorities. Positive that’s what we should always have. Ideology is do you create a nation wherein all folks have a lifestyle. Do you may have the braveness to tackle the billionaire class? Do you stand with the working class? That’s ideology breaking by way of forms and creating efficiencies. That’s good authorities, however it will be a significant change if states have been in a position to cut back forms. It might not be an ideology, nevertheless it. However it doesn’t occur right now. Get issues finished. And also you suppose you agree that we should always do extra of that. We should always have coverage modifications to simplify issues to. I did my finest after I was mayor to interrupt by way of our personal. We’re a small metropolis of 40,000 folks to interrupt by way of the forms to. And it was a great mayor. Sure so there’s no query that you’ve individuals who it appears to me their perform in life is to verify issues don’t occur. We shouldn’t be paying folks to try this. Wing nationalism, and that is the place I wish to finish, is ascendant in a lot of the world. And this can be very harmful in some ways, as we’re seeing on this nation, as we’re seeing in Europe, as we’re seeing elsewhere. I’m curious what you suppose is an efficient progressive response. Is there a model of progressive patriotism that may counter proper wing nationalism. Is there one thing that’s greater than a sum of good insurance policies, however as a substitute turns into a story and a message and one thing inspiring that individuals can say, we would like that, quite than this actually reactionary nationalism. Good query. Look, as you’ve indicated, in the event you have a look at not solely the US and Trumpism, in the event you have a look at France, have a look at the U.Okay. proper now, the main candidate is a proper wing extremist. You have a look at Germany and sometimes as you point out, immigration is the problem. Sure O.Okay. What demagogues, as I discussed earlier, at all times do is you are taking a minority who’re powerless and also you blame them for all the issues. And I feel what we have now obtained to see is that in America and in lots of components of the developed world. What has been occurring during the last 50 years, particularly in rural components, is the wealthy get a lot richer and zillions of individuals get left behind. All proper. Actual inflation accounted for. Wages for the common American employee has been flat for 50 years. So individuals are offended. Yeah all proper. So I feel you want an financial agenda that claims to folks in England, France, Germany, all through Europe, all through Latin America that with all of this expertise, we will create a brand new world wherein all of our folks have a good lifestyle. So I feel what you – That doesn’t clear up all the issues, however I feel. Completely at the moment of rising earnings and wealth inequality, when the oligarchs are attempting to destroy democracy all around the world, that’s an essential a part of the antidote. My fear is that a complete world message falls flat. I consider you as a patriot. I don’t in the event you consider your self as a patriot. Completely do you suppose patriotism inside this nation is a crucial a part of that story. Once I was at Trump’s inaugural, I truly obtained pushed into the entrance row for no matter motive. And sitting behind him have been the three wealthiest guys on this planet behind them billionaires Trump had nominated to run authorities companies. And sincere to God, what I considered after I was there, that scene, I used to be excited about Abraham Lincoln at Gettysburg after that horrible battle to assist finish slavery in America. Lincoln will get up and says, these hundreds of troopers didn’t die in useless. They died in order that we will keep a authorities of the folks, by the folks, for the folks. So that you desire a nationalism, you desire a patriotic nationalism. That’s what it’s. Folks fought and died not simply within the Civil Battle and the Revolutionary Battle. World Battle II died to defend democracy. And we’d like a authorities and an financial system that works for all of us, not only a handful of rich marketing campaign donors. That’s your nationalism. We love this nation. My father, in 1,000,000 years, he got here from a really poor household in Poland. Anti-Semitism, poverty got here to America. By no means in 1,000,000 years he was so I imply, he didn’t speak about it. The truth that his two youngsters have been in a position to go to varsity. Unbelievable, unbelievable. And that’s the fact of hundreds of thousands and hundreds of thousands and hundreds of thousands of individuals on this nation. It is a nice nation. It’s given a lot to so many individuals, and we’re going to do the whole lot that we will to ensure that Trump doesn’t divide us up, doesn’t transfer us into an authoritarian society. Senator Bernie Sanders, Thanks a lot. Thanks very a lot.
